多莉·艾莫絲：藝術(shù)遇上年華，越交融越陳香

Tori Amos has been looking at a lot of artwork and she turns the visual into the musical on her new CD.（Soundbite of Song， “16 Shades of Blue”）

Rachel： That’s the song “16 Shades of Blue，” which refers to the artist 1）Paul Cézanne， who is said to have had at least 16 shades of blue on his 2）palette. It’s a tune about aging from an artist who hit a significant milestone last year. Tori Amos turned 50， by the way. She’s explored a number of musical styles recently， from classical， where she began as a child， to a staged musical.

The title of the CD， 3）Unrepentant Geraldines， comes from an 4）etching， I understand， by a 19th century Irish artist named 5）Daniel Maclise？ Am I saying that right？

Tori： Yes， you are.

Rachel： What was so powerful about that piece to you？ Tori： She reminded me of the repentant 6）Magdalen paintings from a few hundred years prior. And as I started to think about what women were apologizing for， I began thinking about being unapologetic at 50， and as an artist， and standing by the creations that make up your shape.

多莉·艾莫絲最近對(duì)繪畫作品多有涉獵，她在新專輯里將這些視覺元素轉(zhuǎn)化成了音樂素材。

（歌曲《16種藍(lán)色》片段）

蕾切爾：剛剛那首歌曲的歌名《16種藍(lán)色》源自畫家保羅·塞尚，據(jù)說在他的調(diào)色板上至少有16種不同的藍(lán)色。這是一首關(guān)于“衰老”的曲子，來自一位在去年迎來重大里程碑的藝人——多莉·艾莫絲。順帶一提，她去年50歲了。最近她在鉆研探索好幾種音樂風(fēng)格，包括她從小開始接觸的古典音樂，還有舞臺(tái)音樂劇等。

“The Black Clock” by Cézanne was very much what spurred on the song “16 Shades of Blue.”I really didn’t get Cézanne until I turned 50. He didn’t make any sense to me. Then I turned 50 and I was looking at “The Black Clock” and I started hearing the rhythm and the piano of this song. I read that 7）Rilke wrote that Cézanne would paint with over 16 shades of blue on his palette at one time， and I had just turned 50， and I thought about how you learn from women about the different pressures of different ages， whether you’re 15， 18 or in your 20s. I realized it was important to talk about the clock ticking， bringing different types of pressure to different types of women. —Time Magazine Interview

從很大程度上說，是塞尚的《黑色時(shí)鐘》催生了這首《16種藍(lán)色》。我直到年過半百才真正看明白了塞尚（的作品）。過去我總是搞不懂他。后來到了50歲，我看著《黑色時(shí)鐘》，耳邊開始流淌出這首歌的旋律和鋼琴聲。我讀到過里爾克曾寫道，塞尚每次在作畫的時(shí)候，會(huì)在調(diào)色盤里調(diào)出超過16種深淺不一的藍(lán)色。我已經(jīng)50歲了，我不禁想到不管你現(xiàn)在15歲、18歲還是雙十年華，你都可以從女性身上學(xué)到些什么東西，因?yàn)椴煌挲g層的女性會(huì)面臨不同的壓力。我意識(shí)到這是很有意義的事情——講講時(shí)間的流逝，講講年歲給不同的女性帶來的各種壓力。 ——《時(shí)代周刊》專訪

（Soundbite of Song， “Trouble’s 8）Lament”）

Rachel： Often when you think about good and evil themes in country music， which comes up a lot， artists tend to use the word “devil.” You use the word “Satan，”which has a different kind of religious reference to it， a religious weight. Your dad was a preacher， a minister， right？

Tori： 9）Methodist ministry， yes.

Rachel： Does that language find its way into your songwriting？

Tori： Well， he said to me so many times， “Oh， just be grateful you’re a minister’s daughter， what…what would you write about if I had been a dentist？”

（歌曲《麻煩的挽歌》片段）

蕾切爾：每當(dāng)人們想到鄉(xiāng)村音樂里關(guān)于善與邪惡的主題——這類主題比比皆是，歌手們常常喜歡用“惡魔”這個(gè)詞，而你用的是“撒旦”，這個(gè)詞有著不一樣的宗教含義，有種宗教的厚重感。你的爸爸是一位傳教士，一位牧師，對(duì)吧？

多莉：衛(wèi)理公會(huì)的牧師，沒錯(cuò)。

蕾切爾：宗教語言會(huì)影響你的歌曲創(chuàng)作嗎？……